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Michael Wall's avatar

Bryan, despite his wisdom, is sadly mistaken on animal welfare. He and I would agree that insect welfare is nonobvious, but we would also agree that it is a logical corollary of the wrongness of torturing dogs for fun. I think ‘it is evil to torture a dog for fun because of harm to the dog’ is more obvious than ‘insects never deserve moral consideration.’ Frankly, I think many people would move toward this position just by looking at zoomed-in pictures of bees. They have faces, just like us.

Walter Veit's avatar

Dear Bryan, I appreciate the moderate defense of EAs but this is just pseudo-philosophy: 'Morality rests on the value of human well-being and prima face human rights. If you demand an argument for any of these, the right response is: “It’s obvious. The end.”' See https://walterveit.substack.com/p/most-a-priori-philosophy-is-a-waste

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