Best paragraph: "And even if my whole reply to Jones’ critique is wrong, Hive Mind strongly implies that the U.S. should eagerly welcome any migrant with an IQ of 98 or higher, which is well over a billion people worldwide."
1) I would caution that even Garret Jones attempts to avoid charges of "racism" and it affects his work. For instance, ancestry is an attempt to not say IQ (and a less worthy metric) and his "cultural" examples are limited to things woke would accept (like that the confederate diaspora are bad).
2) The United States as a unicorn rate 30x per capita that of Japan. Even the EU has a unicorn rate 5-10x.
East Asia famously has an average IQ of 105, no underclass to speak of, and sound urban governance. It's poor compared to us, stagnant for decades now after the catch up growth is gone, woefully inefficient, and has apocalypse level TFRs. Obviously, there is more to elite human accomplishment than IQ.
I can think of no worse outcome than for the wests smart fraction to adopt the cultural habits of East Asian elites. Something that seems inevitable if Harvard is 80% Asian.
3) Current third world countries benefit massively from the runoff of first world countries. They have antibiotics, plumbing, cell phones, the internal combustion engine, etc. Despite the fact that they probably would not produce these things on their own! They mostly dig shit out of the ground and sell it to us in exchange for literally technological miracles.
What would happen if there was no place to sell their raw materials to? What if the west collapsed because it imported a bunch of third worlders and itself became a third world country?
4) I have a different vision for the world. Smart people in smart societies continually advancing human accomplishment and excellence. Any drudge work done by robots or other automated machines. These human gods free to govern themselves rather than being slaves to the unwashed masses.
Bryan's vision is world as a giant Favela at best.
"Almost everyone is vastly more productive in the First World than in the Third World"
Yet I've never observed any difference in the actual work performed by the forementioned maid, gardener or janitor. Perhaps the problem is how you define productivity as dollars earned. Somehow making an American bed is considered more productive then a Hatian one, but is it?
Yes. It has to do with value added. Making the Haitian bed adds much less value, where value is measured as we economists always measure it: in the eyes of the valuer, ie., the consumer.
Thanks for posting! Will a recording of the debate be available online?
Best paragraph: "And even if my whole reply to Jones’ critique is wrong, Hive Mind strongly implies that the U.S. should eagerly welcome any migrant with an IQ of 98 or higher, which is well over a billion people worldwide."
1) I would caution that even Garret Jones attempts to avoid charges of "racism" and it affects his work. For instance, ancestry is an attempt to not say IQ (and a less worthy metric) and his "cultural" examples are limited to things woke would accept (like that the confederate diaspora are bad).
2) The United States as a unicorn rate 30x per capita that of Japan. Even the EU has a unicorn rate 5-10x.
East Asia famously has an average IQ of 105, no underclass to speak of, and sound urban governance. It's poor compared to us, stagnant for decades now after the catch up growth is gone, woefully inefficient, and has apocalypse level TFRs. Obviously, there is more to elite human accomplishment than IQ.
I can think of no worse outcome than for the wests smart fraction to adopt the cultural habits of East Asian elites. Something that seems inevitable if Harvard is 80% Asian.
3) Current third world countries benefit massively from the runoff of first world countries. They have antibiotics, plumbing, cell phones, the internal combustion engine, etc. Despite the fact that they probably would not produce these things on their own! They mostly dig shit out of the ground and sell it to us in exchange for literally technological miracles.
What would happen if there was no place to sell their raw materials to? What if the west collapsed because it imported a bunch of third worlders and itself became a third world country?
4) I have a different vision for the world. Smart people in smart societies continually advancing human accomplishment and excellence. Any drudge work done by robots or other automated machines. These human gods free to govern themselves rather than being slaves to the unwashed masses.
Bryan's vision is world as a giant Favela at best.
"Almost everyone is vastly more productive in the First World than in the Third World"
Yet I've never observed any difference in the actual work performed by the forementioned maid, gardener or janitor. Perhaps the problem is how you define productivity as dollars earned. Somehow making an American bed is considered more productive then a Hatian one, but is it?
Yes. It has to do with value added. Making the Haitian bed adds much less value, where value is measured as we economists always measure it: in the eyes of the valuer, ie., the consumer.
If all the most productive of the poorest people move away from the third world country what does that do to their economy?