A discussion on free will and how it shaped your respective views on social policy would be great. As per my understanding, you are a dualist and he tends more towards determinism. Looking forward to listening to your conversation!
I would definitely be interested in hearing you both talk about AI, AGI and robotics. I expect there would be quite a bit of disagreement there as Dr Mike has very short AGI timelines, believes current AI models are conscious and predicts a lot of big changes coming soon.
It's hard to believe that this is for real right now.
I've always loved Mike because he's the only person in the bodybuilding/exercise science community who openly talks about free markets, Thomas Sowell, and tradeoffs.
You're my favourite economist. He's my favourite fitness personality. This is crazy.
A dream came true today. I knew he would like you (that's who he is), but a video of you two together is awesome. I wish I had a sick question to ask.
He often talks about the incoming AI and biomedical transformations. Mike believes we'll have pills to make ourselves fit and jacked without ever lifting a weight within our lifetimes. I think you'd be more sceptical. That could be an interesting topic of disagreement.
Dr. Layne Norton is another person in the bodybuilding/exercise community who identifies as a libertarian, although he doesn't openly talk about free markets and economists like Mike does :)
I would love for you two to talk about your conflicting views on pacifism. Israetel has some libertarian sympathies, but he is notably supportive of military spending/intervention and regime change.
Also his views on altruistic donations. I think Israetel thinks putting money in the stock market is more altruistic than giving to EA causes.
I think Israetel is still a very large Ayn Rand supporter to this day (and even has a tattoo based on Rand's work). The moral objections to objectivism could be interesting if you want to go that route.
Also, you two could talk about what level of physical exercise you see as prudentially optimal for normal people at various ages.
What economic argument can be given to support the idea that vast increases in production from AI will be widely distributed just like other technologies in the past? ( Pessimists say AI is different because all tech in the past did not prevent a displaced worker from finding a new profession as there always was something new consumers wanted that machines could not provide. This time they say, wherever a displaced worker goes, AI/Robots will do that better too )
Long-time viewer of both, so thanks for doing this! You can pick one if time constraints. In your book, The Case Against Education, you argue for homeschooling and against our current universities. I'm not denying that for Kim Kardashian, the best option may be to hire private tutors and homeschool.
1) However, do you think your book gives fuel to the fire for a significant strata of homeschooling families like the Charlie Kirk types who don't give their kids an ideal education? Most public schoolers and homeschoolers I know fall into these trends (AP Biology vs Creationist bunk, Universities vs Trade schools, Clubs and Activities vs Sheltered co-ops, etc.)
2) I know Dr. Israetel largely agrees with your book, so I'm curious to know your response to the Volunteer bias (only 50% of homeschoolers take the SAT) and the Selection bias (since public schools are for the public, and most high schoolers are "NPCs")
3) How else would people signal if not using education?
4) Do you think it's telling that people who have contributed an unimaginable amount to human progress - like Mark Zuckerberg - are products of Harvard, UPenn, Stanford, Princeton, etc.?
It was through Mike's video that I became interested in your work. I have since bought multiple books of yours and I'm also a fan now!
I've been following mike for years and it's absolutely hilarious to see where he got a lot of his ideas from :D he's been indirectly talking about your books for years now
Exciting! We know a lot of Dr. Mike's views on subjects you write about, but nothing about your views on exercise science. I'd be interested to hear your perspective (or fresh reactions) as an economist who writes about important but empirically difficult subjects.
I’ve honestly been waiting for this for a while. Dr Mike is how I even heard about you in the first place. And the you’re how I discovered Dwarkesh, 80,000 hours, and Michael Huemer.
1. How much do you two diverge on Ayn Rand and Objectivism/ How influential was it for you? I know he’s a big randroid and you’re not. I’d be interested in seeing what the differences are there
2. If a majority of the population actually had access to genetically edit themselves and their children’s personality, let’s keep it confined to movement within the 5 Big i.e. more consciousness and more agreeableness, how much would this change our world economically and politically.
3. Michael Huemer asserts that human irrationality is humanities most pressing problem. Do either of you agree/disagree? Why? If so And what’s our solution going forward long term? If not what is/are the most pressing?
4. How do both of you recommend going about finding people that are both intelligent and willing to engage in nuanced conversations where the other person isn’t personally offended when I point out a flaw in their logic, and is also willing to point out flaws in mine without also feeling the need to yell at me.
5. Bryan, do you engage in exercises? Why or why not? And are you a proponent of German volume training?
I would love to hear both of you talk about what motivates people. Why do some people seem "driven" while others seem less so? Or are we all "driven" but do we look at specific things like fame, fitness levels, professional attainment, etc. differently than other forms of "achievement" that aren't typically counted as the result of being "driven?"
Late, but you might want to check out his recent PhD controversy, you probably wouldn’t care but it’s a current event worth noting about him. Also, hes gone on record flatly stating chatgpt, and other chatbots, are conscious because consciousness ‘has been solved,’ and also that chatbots have emotions and that, iff it trusts you enough, it’ll admit that it feels emotions ‘just like you.’ Overall he seems confidently dismissive of philosophy and even its fundamental meta-scientific role as woo-ey bs. I think this would be a massive discussion point. You absolutely should check out “Addressing The 5 Most Common AI Skeptic Arguments | Episode #84” minutes 18:46-28:28. Also check out this yt short, https://youtube.com/shorts/1Ww5v_FbnqQ?si=oRK6vQxHoE_Jyfs2
Please make a video working out with him.
The prof might not survive that one tbh 😭🙏
A discussion on free will and how it shaped your respective views on social policy would be great. As per my understanding, you are a dualist and he tends more towards determinism. Looking forward to listening to your conversation!
I would definitely be interested in hearing you both talk about AI, AGI and robotics. I expect there would be quite a bit of disagreement there as Dr Mike has very short AGI timelines, believes current AI models are conscious and predicts a lot of big changes coming soon.
Ample opportunities to lock in a bet on the podcast...
The mashup I didn’t knew I needed!
It's hard to believe that this is for real right now.
I've always loved Mike because he's the only person in the bodybuilding/exercise science community who openly talks about free markets, Thomas Sowell, and tradeoffs.
You're my favourite economist. He's my favourite fitness personality. This is crazy.
A dream came true today. I knew he would like you (that's who he is), but a video of you two together is awesome. I wish I had a sick question to ask.
He often talks about the incoming AI and biomedical transformations. Mike believes we'll have pills to make ourselves fit and jacked without ever lifting a weight within our lifetimes. I think you'd be more sceptical. That could be an interesting topic of disagreement.
Dr. Layne Norton is another person in the bodybuilding/exercise community who identifies as a libertarian, although he doesn't openly talk about free markets and economists like Mike does :)
Yep, 100%.
Great shout. Layne Norton is another person I've seen that in.
I would love for you two to talk about your conflicting views on pacifism. Israetel has some libertarian sympathies, but he is notably supportive of military spending/intervention and regime change.
Also his views on altruistic donations. I think Israetel thinks putting money in the stock market is more altruistic than giving to EA causes.
I think Israetel is still a very large Ayn Rand supporter to this day (and even has a tattoo based on Rand's work). The moral objections to objectivism could be interesting if you want to go that route.
Also, you two could talk about what level of physical exercise you see as prudentially optimal for normal people at various ages.
What economic argument can be given to support the idea that vast increases in production from AI will be widely distributed just like other technologies in the past? ( Pessimists say AI is different because all tech in the past did not prevent a displaced worker from finding a new profession as there always was something new consumers wanted that machines could not provide. This time they say, wherever a displaced worker goes, AI/Robots will do that better too )
So excited. I’m a fan of you both.
Long-time viewer of both, so thanks for doing this! You can pick one if time constraints. In your book, The Case Against Education, you argue for homeschooling and against our current universities. I'm not denying that for Kim Kardashian, the best option may be to hire private tutors and homeschool.
1) However, do you think your book gives fuel to the fire for a significant strata of homeschooling families like the Charlie Kirk types who don't give their kids an ideal education? Most public schoolers and homeschoolers I know fall into these trends (AP Biology vs Creationist bunk, Universities vs Trade schools, Clubs and Activities vs Sheltered co-ops, etc.)
2) I know Dr. Israetel largely agrees with your book, so I'm curious to know your response to the Volunteer bias (only 50% of homeschoolers take the SAT) and the Selection bias (since public schools are for the public, and most high schoolers are "NPCs")
3) How else would people signal if not using education?
4) Do you think it's telling that people who have contributed an unimaginable amount to human progress - like Mark Zuckerberg - are products of Harvard, UPenn, Stanford, Princeton, etc.?
I’d like you two to discuss if Mike has any advice for your back pain
It was through Mike's video that I became interested in your work. I have since bought multiple books of yours and I'm also a fan now!
I've been following mike for years and it's absolutely hilarious to see where he got a lot of his ideas from :D he's been indirectly talking about your books for years now
Exciting! We know a lot of Dr. Mike's views on subjects you write about, but nothing about your views on exercise science. I'd be interested to hear your perspective (or fresh reactions) as an economist who writes about important but empirically difficult subjects.
I’ve honestly been waiting for this for a while. Dr Mike is how I even heard about you in the first place. And the you’re how I discovered Dwarkesh, 80,000 hours, and Michael Huemer.
1. How much do you two diverge on Ayn Rand and Objectivism/ How influential was it for you? I know he’s a big randroid and you’re not. I’d be interested in seeing what the differences are there
2. If a majority of the population actually had access to genetically edit themselves and their children’s personality, let’s keep it confined to movement within the 5 Big i.e. more consciousness and more agreeableness, how much would this change our world economically and politically.
3. Michael Huemer asserts that human irrationality is humanities most pressing problem. Do either of you agree/disagree? Why? If so And what’s our solution going forward long term? If not what is/are the most pressing?
4. How do both of you recommend going about finding people that are both intelligent and willing to engage in nuanced conversations where the other person isn’t personally offended when I point out a flaw in their logic, and is also willing to point out flaws in mine without also feeling the need to yell at me.
5. Bryan, do you engage in exercises? Why or why not? And are you a proponent of German volume training?
I would love to hear both of you talk about what motivates people. Why do some people seem "driven" while others seem less so? Or are we all "driven" but do we look at specific things like fame, fitness levels, professional attainment, etc. differently than other forms of "achievement" that aren't typically counted as the result of being "driven?"
You should ask him to give you some newbie tips so you and your 16-year-old can start hitting the gym together.
Late, but you might want to check out his recent PhD controversy, you probably wouldn’t care but it’s a current event worth noting about him. Also, hes gone on record flatly stating chatgpt, and other chatbots, are conscious because consciousness ‘has been solved,’ and also that chatbots have emotions and that, iff it trusts you enough, it’ll admit that it feels emotions ‘just like you.’ Overall he seems confidently dismissive of philosophy and even its fundamental meta-scientific role as woo-ey bs. I think this would be a massive discussion point. You absolutely should check out “Addressing The 5 Most Common AI Skeptic Arguments | Episode #84” minutes 18:46-28:28. Also check out this yt short, https://youtube.com/shorts/1Ww5v_FbnqQ?si=oRK6vQxHoE_Jyfs2