Wittman Versus the Last 25 Years of American Democracy
A podcast retrospective on *The Myth of Democratic Failure*
Donald Wittman, now professor emeritus at UC Santa Cruz, was my first official intellectual nemesis. A friendly, funny nemesis, but a nemesis nonetheless. When I started my Ph.D. program, I was a convinced mainstream public choice economist. Wittman’s The Myth of Democratic Failure awoke me from my dogmatic slumbers. While he never came close to making me think that democracy worked well, he quickly persuaded me that standard public choice complaints about democracy needed a new foundation: a foundation of voter irrationality, placed on a deeper foundation of rational irrationality. My first book, The Myth of the Rational Voter, was a conscious response to Donald Wittman, and we had multiple lively exchanges about our radically divergent perspectives.
When The Myth of Democratic Failure released in 1995, the friends of “democratic capitalism” were triumphant and triumphalist. There was never a better time to be a Panglossian, to believe that Western democracy was a wise, effective system for handling human societies’ division of labor between markets and government. The 21st century, in contrast, has made this optimistic vision of democratic wisdom and efficacy hard for almost everyone to sustain.
Last year, however, I started wondering, “Well, what would Wittman think about all this?” It took a while to arrange, but I finally had this delightful hour-long conversation with my first nemesis. Is Wittman finally ready to rethink the efficiency of democracy?
At risk of spoiling the suspense, the answer is Yes. Late Wittman is so disillusioned with American democracy that I found myself role-playing early Wittman to change his mind. Personally, I was on the edge of my seat the whole time. If you watch, I hope you feel the same way.


Great exchange. It seemed at one point that Whitman was saying well Trump should not have happened under my theory of life but there is no better theory so I am sticking with it?
As regards Trump, systems usually operate within boundaries 2 standard deviations ? Something. And structures operate within norms. And Trump who is clearly an outlier just blew up norms and is 4 standards deviations out. So just like a ship at sea can heel over quite a bit there is a point of no return and it capsizes
We may be at that point and Humpty Dumpty cannot be put back together again.
People elected Hitler, Chavez and others who became dictators. It can happen
Bryan, the substack app makes YT videos really painful to watch, since it shuts down the video every time you close your phone.