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Welfare is nothing else than a big employer who doesn’t follow any economic principles and creates a massive economic distortion. If that fake employer pays a high salary the opportunity cost of taking a true job is massive. But that fake employer buys millions of votes to politicians so the incentives are wrong. We all know the devastating effects of any price control mechanism but, like with socialism, we keep trying and trying the wrong recipe. Bottom line, we learned nothing

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Thanks Bryan. I see the argument that raising the minimum wage doesn't increase the employment rate, even in the presence of welfare for the unemployed. But is it clear that raising the minimum wage doesn't increase aggregate wages paid? I assume that's the goal of those in favor of a minimum wage -- to increase the total quantity of the gains of trade that goes to labor. Surely no one thinks it increases the employment rate?

Separately but relatedly, one argument for the minimum wage that seems sensible to me, but that I've never seen spelled out, is that it would tend to modernize the economy. Long term elasticities are higher than short term elasticities -- in the short run companies may be forced to pay the higher wage, but in the long run they'll be more incentivized to figure out how to automate away those jobs. So the minimum wage acts as a sort of subsidy for the automation sector -- software, robots, AI, and so on. And in a different context, this kind of subsidy seems to be favored by development economists, who seem to think that employers of skilled labor don't capture all of the value of the training and modernizing that they provide, while employers of less skilled labor, such as farm labor, have smaller positive externalities, and they cite the history of which countries developed the fastest as evidence for this model, particularly in southeast Asia.

I'm not an economist, so as an outsider to the field I'm confused why the same people who think developing countries should favor tech over farming also use "elasticities are higher in the long run than in the short run" exclusively as a mark against the minimum wage. It's not a contradiction, but there is some tension there, no? I'd love to see this addressed in simple terms along the lines of this post.

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