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That's a very interesting parallelism. Putin's accusations of Ukrainian Nazism do not stop despite the fact of Ukrainian president being jew. The same way that remarks of American having a white supremacism problem did not stop at USA having an afro American President.

One thing to consider is that the Princess defines herself at one of the few "able to feel even the smallest pea at night". Once that's the most interesting thing happening in the Princess' life, she HAS to feel the pea.

Feeling outrage is addictive. Even more so to righteous princesses

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I think we can criticize the obsession with white supremacy in the west without making absurd references to the Current Thing!

Ukraine has a problem with neo-Nazi groups. It's a bigger problem in the military and street gangs than it is in the parliament proper, but for those dealing with those thugs its a big deal. And the government basically lets it happen, because those groups are the ones that have done the heavy fighting for eight years and played a big role in getting rid of Yanakovich.

Imagine if the KKK was started and funded by a prominent oligarch that controlled much of countries wealth and used them as his private army. But that's exactly what happened with Ihor Kolomoyskyi and Azov. And Kolomoyskyi is essentially Zelenskies boss who helped bring him to power.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ihor_Kolomoyskyi

Note that Zelensky and Ihor and both Jews, but that doesn't seem to make them uncomfortable supporting neo-nazies. For their part, I've seen interviews with Nazi Azov leaders who state unequivocally that they are Nazi's pursing racial purity but they don't mind being led by Jews. In fact its a benefit, because it helps hide their Nazism! The Nazism of western Ukraine is anti-Russian, dislike of Jews is a side gig compared to the main goal. Been that way since WWII.

There is no equivalent of all this in the west.

Lastly, far right groups basically have a veto over peace terms, and they are part of the reason Minsk could never get implemented. Zelensky ran on a peace platform but failed to achieve peace, largely because these groups wouldn't allow it (including treating to use violence against Zelensky if he tried to make peace). Can the KKK dictate American foreign policy?

It's probably more accurate to say that Ukraine does have a Nazi problem, at least relative to the west, and that this was a very common sentiment in the west right up until the invasion began. The same people today that say there is no Nazi problem in Ukraine would have said there was one before.

None of this may change your mind about supporting Ukraine, nor should it necessarily.

My point is simply that its meaningless to even debate this stuff with people. The left talks about white supremacy as a tool to gain power. They don't care if it's true. They also don't care what level of Nazi-ism there is in Ukraine. It's who/whom all the way down to the bottom. The only thing that matters to them is the friend/enemy distinction, not FACTS!

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