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I fundamentally am skeptical of claims like those found in Stannard's book, because, in my experience, these kinds of claims usually do not withstand simple scrutiny. So, as an illustration, let's interrogate the claim that Cortes killed 40,000 Aztecs after taking Tenochtitlan. (Note that I picked this claim somewhat at random and did no prior research.)

Although you quoted page 80, page 79 appears to be where this fact first gets asserted, and it has an end note: "More than forty thousand were killed in that single day, and 'so loud was the wailing of the women and children that there was not one man amongst us whose heart did not bleed at the sound. ' Indeed, because 'we could no longer endure the stench of the dead bodies that had lain in those streets for many days, which was the most loathsome thing in all the world,' recalled Cortes, 'we returned to our camps.' 77."

End note 77 is "Cortes, Letters from Mexico, pp. 257-62." Per Stannard, apparently Cortes himself admitted to killing 40,000 Aztecs in a single day. Unfortunately for Stannard, Cortes did not admit to this fact.

In Cortes's Third Letter to Charles V (dated May 15, 1522, which described fighting during the 1521 siege), Cortes claimed that the day’s toll, including prisoners, “numbered in all more than forty thousand men.” Therefore, Cortes did not claim that more than forty thousand were killed in that single day. However, Cortes did report the following: "It appears [the Aztecs] had perished to the number of more than fifty thousand, from the salt water which they drank, or from starvation, and pestilence." This death resulted from Cortes's use of siege warfare over time. Cortes also reported that fifteen thousand ended up massacred, even though he claimed to have tried his best to avoid this slaughter, but the Spaniards, numbering ~900, could not constrain their Amerindian allies, numbering ~150,000. Again, Stannard takes this description of the events and asserts a clean fact that the Spaniards killed forty thousand Amerindians.

Anyways, I find the claim that the Spanish killed 40,000 Aztecs after taking Tenochtitlan formulation to be very sloppy at best (the truth is interesting enough), and I see no reason to trust Stannard. Again, I picked this claim simply because it seemed verifiable. It failed.

zinjanthropus's avatar

1491 is a fascinating book, but I did not find Mann's population estimates convincing. Yes, Tenochtitlan was extraordinary, Cuzco was impressive, but there were no great cities anywhere in North America or almost anywhere in South America. The technological level of most Indian civilizations was quite low. The Spanish conquered against odds partly with the aid of allies, yes, but steel and horses also made a huge difference, just like Jared Diamond said. It isn't an accident that Cortes, not one of his indigenous allies, wound up ruling Mexico.

On a specific example of the unreliability of ancient population figures, see David Henige's He Came, He Saw, We Counted about Caesar's depredations in Gaul. https://www.persee.fr/doc/adh_0066-2062_1998_num_1998_1_2162

Henige wrote a book about about pre-Columbus population estimates, succinctly titled Numbers from Nowhere. https://www.google.com/books/edition/Numbers_from_Nowhere/1MJ9HPsGsrUC?hl=en&gbpv=1 Mann talks about it in his introduction to 1491, but if he ever adequately addressed its arguments, I missed it.

I've seen claims that three or four million people lived on Hispaniola (Dominican Republic + Haiti) before Columbus. By contrast, David Reich's Harvard lab used DNA analysis to come up with a pre-Columbus Hispaniola population estimate in the tens of thousands. I don't know if that's right, but at least it's not a Number from Nowhere.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/23/opinion/dna-caribbean-genocide.html

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