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I agree regarding the importance of culture within a country, and how immigration can warp that. Honestly, the culture of many Americans is worse than the culture of many immigrants by my lights, but that doesn't mean that we should not worry about foreign cultures and how those interact with ours.

I found myself quite swayed by Caplan's keyhole exceptions, if I am remembering how he used the phrase correctly, regarding limiting access to welfare and other benefits as a condition of entry. I think that solves the (questionable) worries about immigrants sponging off the system, while at the same tending to select for better culture, as only those who are interesting in working are likely to show up. Plus, I suspect it would make them a lot less inclined to support a welfare state for others, moving the national culture in a direction I prefer. (My wife is an immigrant, and she has exactly zero sympathy for illegal immigration after how miserable her immigration process was; she views them as roughly jumping the line ahead of everyone else who is willing to follow the rules.)

However, as Klein points out, I am not at all sure that is how it would work in practice, especially as migrants are already not allowed many social benefits programs but seem to collect the benefits just the same.

Still, I am down for much more immigration, particularly if we can limit the downsides and keep out the murderers. If we can't, we need to limit immigration to the point where we can keep out the murderers and crazies pretty well. Possibly those two priorities are not compatible for our government. however.

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Libertarians often talk about the wisdom of crowds. They hate public officials deciding what is right, and like individuals with skin in the game deciding what's right.

In every single place in the world today undergoing mass immigration the response from the locals is "NO!" Locals in Europe or America. Locals that are white, hispanic, or black. Locals on the border or locals in big liberal cities. People with skin in the game absolutely do not believe that trillions of dollars in value are being created by open borders. Across continents, races, politics, etc.

The most recent example in the USA is the complete success of the migrant busing program. In response to the failure of the federal government to secure the border the people that had to deal with its costs sent migrants to far away lands that had strong opinions about the border basically being open but didn't have to deal with the fallout. The arrival of a small fraction of those migrants in liberal cities caused them to declare a state of emergency, shuffle the arrivals along as best they can, beg for more not to be sent, and capitulate to the demands of the border cities. El Paso recently agreed to stop the migrant buses now that the federal government will agree to deport asylum seekers back to Mexico.

Governors in Texas and Florida are about to sail to easy re-elections mostly because Open Borders drove former immigrant Hispanics in these areas to massively shift in favor of the GOP because it promised to close the border. Democrats seeing a mid-term wipeout due to losses amongst these Hispanics are crying uncle.

If you can't sell immigration to co-ethnic former immigrants, maybe you just don't understand immigration.

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