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I really don't think *A LOCKED DOOR* represents such an onerous expense that it would put IVF out of business.

For many people going through IVF they have a hard time getting enough embryos to have children. If through malice or gross negligence those embryos are destroyed you are destroying their ability to have children. It is completely fair for the party who destroyed those embryos to be liable.

If your stance is "we can't define gross negligence" I think that takes things to far. Certainly, "physically secure an area with embryos" is not too high a bar.

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I am one of those "crazies" that says that life begins at conception. I think we both agree that the "life begins at birth" crowd are also crazy. But drawing an arbitrary line somehwhere between conception and birth also seems kinda... arbitrary.

I could point out the fact that a zygote is a living human organism. I could point to this excellent article about it: https://secularprolife.org/2017/08/a-zygote-is-human-being/

But, instead, I want to talk about a brilliant book by a brilliant author hwho notes that most of hwho we are is... genetic! Our hair colour, our skin colour, our personality, intelligence, etc. is genetic. And our genes are determined at... conception!

I was ME from the moment of my conception, you were YOU from the moment of YOUR conception, my daughter was HER from the moment of HER conception: Even if she didn't have eyes already, it was already determined that she would have brown eyes, even if she didn't have hair already, it was already determined that she would have brown hair, even if she didn't have a brain already, it was already determined that she would be smart and a "silly goose" (just like her daddy!), from the moment of conception.

We are US from the moment of conception. Abortion and IVF both destroy human lives. A brilliant gay black boy with an infectious smile, a funny, conscientious Asian girl and thousands more unique individuals are destroyed when someone drops that container of embryos.

So hwhat am I saying: I am unique, therefore I am? kinda... But I know hwhat you're thinking: Does that mean that an identical twin or a clone is... expendable? No. Because they're unique in their own way. They are their own organism.

So, I am against abortion and IVF. I think a lot of pro-lifers don't really think enough about IVF. But we should. I am kinda disappointed in Kay Ivey. Maybe she should watch this video: https://youtu.be/e6VYza7JE6s?si=IatEvvtANchc1dMH

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