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I have read all your previews of the book and I think you made poor arguments against feminism. I think you didn't mention the main topics. There are two big topics that feminists talk about a lot: The sexualization/objectification of women and the negative bias that women face everytime they do something else than being a housewife or mother, like being in the workplace ("Women are too hormonal, illogical, emotional, irrational").

Things like sexual harassment sexual assault are very common among women, much more so than among men. The sexual double standards are still alive, many people blame women's clothes or being in the wrong place for the harassment they face, or they call women sluts for any sexual behavior outside of a relationship/marriage. So when feminists stand up against this, they have a point.

The negative bias against women doing something except being a housewife and mother are so well alive that I could show you recent examples of them made by people you know. Here is Richard Hanania blaming women's emotions for the rise of "woke madness" in academia and politics (many commenters say women should not be allowed in college and lose the right to vote):

https://richardhanania.substack.com/p/womens-tears-win-in-the-marketplace

Another example, Dennis Prager from a few weeks ago attacking women for destroying the country because female teachers let kids visit drag queen story hours:

https://www.dailysignal.com/2022/08/30/women-are-disproportionately-hurting-our-country/

Sadly, you yourself have said demeaning things about women in your econlib blog. Here you philosophized about how women might be "soft heads" and therefore less rational:

https://www.econlib.org/archives/2013/01/women_liberty_m.html

That sounds pretty much like Hanania or Prager. Women as too emotional, irrational, illogical. In fact, in your last preview, when you wrote in your letter to your daughter "Feminists will react emotional against my book, look at how evil feminists are!", this was another weird example of this bias. I mean, there are libertarians who are racist, antisemitic, sexist and homophobic, yet I personally still think libertarianism is correct and would not see it as an argument against libertarianism to say that Ron Paul is racist. Why does it matter if some feminists react emotional to your book?

This anti-female bias about "too emotional" women can have real-life consequences. You said the gender wage gap is not real. I agree, mostly. But the truth is that, there is still an amount that is unexplained by different life choices. Some say it's as much as 9%.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/women-earn-91-cents-for-every-dollar-men-earn--if-you-control-for-life-choices/2012/06/04/gJQAqrHkEV_blog.html

And the reasons could vey well be a negative bias against women, as there is evidence that men overestimate their competence while women underestimate their competence, and that disagreebleness helps men in negotiations, while it doesn't help women ("bitchy").

https://news.nd.edu/news/men-earn-a-premium-for-being-disagreeable-in-the-workplace-women-dont-says-new-research/

You said the men make top 1% and the bottom 1% of society. This is true (politicians, CEO vs. homicide victims, suicide victims, homeless people, prison rape victims). But if you look at the important part, the median 98%, women face significantly more disadvantages than men: More sexual harassment and assault, more severe domestic violence, more negative bias in the workplace and more difficulties in access to healthcare (not just since the overturn of Roe v. Wade). So feminist activism can be a force of good, although every movement has bad apples.

And honestly, there is no easier way to draw a child to an idea than being obsessed about her not embracing it. That's why I believe your daughter will be a staunch feminist. Considering the upcoming political situation (the abortion fight), her father's curious obsession of her not becoming a feminist, and the overall realities of life as a woman, she will very likely embrace feminism.

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> First, feminism is a life-tarnishing creed for the adherent because it makes a virtue out of wallowing in antipathy and self-pity. While many self-styled feminists are kind and happy, this is largely because they don’t take their doctrine seriously. Earnest feminism reliably leads to dire character flaws.

It still seems to me that your entire argument boils down to telling people what they believe isn't really what they believe. And that's a losing argument.

Let's say 80% of self-styled feminists are kind and happy. 20% are dyed-in-the-wool man-hating harpies.

1. The 80% basically don't *need* to be told anything, because they're already kind and happy. Lecturing them about what they don't actually believe is kind of off-putting, to put it charitably. For the same reasons that, say, laying into someone for being a registered Democrat or Republican is also inappropriate.

2. The 20% who are inclined to treat people poorly and be unhappy (over the long-run)... does anyone think this is really because of dogged adherence to feminism? I don't. I expect that it's enough to have a good relationship with your daughter, model good behaviors, and be able to communicate. As you say, if your daughter grows up seeing you as fundamentally "not evil", the contest is already won. The number of people who truly, lastingly throw out healthy relationships to adhere to ideology is pretty small.

I'm sure there are exceptions, but most well-developed people don't go off and join cults.

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