Though I generally agree with your stance on immigration you clearly do not live in the UK. The Leicester 2022 riots between Hindus and Muslims is but one example. There are literally 100s of others. In 2016 a man from Bradford drove to Glasgow to stab a shopkeeper because he was the ‘wrong kind’ of Muslim. Hong Kong democracy protesters were attacked in Chinatown in London in 2022. The reality is we hear about these kind of incidents a lot LESS than they really occur because they don’t affect London centric media-class.
I heard that the remarkable thing about Leicester was that 1st generation tried to integrate but 2nd generation took to identity politics and refuses to assimilate. So they pick ethnic to signal their difference. We also see 2nd generation north-africans petty criminals targeting specifically chinese migrants in France. Ethnic diversity lowers the social capital in a group. So it can become violent for the lower 20% strata. (see Ammon's turnip https://polsci.substack.com/p/pyramid-or-turnip-on-social-stratification)
Of course, you can invite any number of foreign scholar to the faculty of the IAS in Princeton to improve the mix.
I am convinced that immigration is a net good concerning the Princeton IAS faculty, but it looks to me like a luxury belief concerning the plebs.
Why do you then "generally agree" with his stance on immigration?
I would like to expand careful, merit-based, legal immigration, with a points-system like Canada's. But Bryan has a very different and far less restrictive vision. I love most of his stuff, but his view on this is not real world.
Counter example: "Are ‘Islamists in Charge of Britain’? This week, British democracy ceased to operate by its own rules. The reason? To prevent its elected representatives from being violently hounded, if not killed, by Islamist mobs." https://www.thefp.com/p/are-islamists-in-charge-of-britain-kisin
If you really want to live in an oppressive Islamic state, open borders is the way to go. The UK will be there within a generation or two - after spending a thousand years separating church from state. Other counter-examples? How about Sweden, France, Germany. . .
We now have two conflicting accounts of immigration from respectable authors: Dr. Caplan’s and Konstantin Kisin, the latter who asks the question about Muslim immigration to the UK. Apparently, there have been Members of Parliament who have been murdered and otherwise crime victims for pursuing a “support Israel” strategy. The UK, particularly London, has seen a wave of Muslim immigrants who have apparently brought conflict into their adoptive city. Both are on Substack. A debate between the two would be informative.
Just learned a new fact… a few Irish were so upset at their new American homeland that they fought *against* the US in the Mexican American war, during a surge in immigration caused by the potato famine. Catholic-Protestant conflict was increased during this time.
Current events in the UK sure seem to include a lot of imported conflict over the Middle East, to the point of influencing the Speaker of the House of Commons to break with tradition.
Decades ago in Brussels, I struck up a conversation with this Greek guy who worked in a restaurant. At some point, I asked him how the Greeks got along with the Turks. From memory, he replied to the effect that: None of that shit matters here—we share thousands of years of culture, and that brings us together.
I’ve no idea how true this might be, or to what extent it’s generalizable, but I find it hopeful.
And it brings to mind my travels in Asia ages ago when tourism was not as common. Europeans would give each other a slight Oriental head bow of recognition when crossing the street. It was both slightly strange and sort of sweet.
Arabs in Dearborn, MI. might not be as hostile(yet) to certain groups as in the old country, but we'll see. Irish immigrants in New England send money to terrorist groups in Ulster as a way to reflect hostility to the UK in the U.S.A. Cubans in Miami are definitely hostile to cetain political groups. Our information on hostility is relying on government press releases to the Media - tenuous at best.
The Irish (and I'm talking about relatives of mine here) brought the conflict with England to the USA. They actively provided funding and arms to the PIRA.
This is a terrible article. The entire foreign policy of the United States, and every war in the last 30 years has been to satiate the nasty ethnic priorities of Israeli Jews to the detriment of actual Americans.
Islam is the most obvious exception to this thesis. Anti-Semitism is now highly visible if not rampant in North America and Europe. Islam is a supremacy and theocracy project as much as a religion and 1400 years of kinetic animosity between Islam and Christendom, now secular western civilization is evidence enough. Sure some sects of Muslims that ignore their scriptures don't produce Jihadis but the vast majority of Sunnis and Shiites follow their unreformed scriptures and if devout, must join the "struggle" (Jihad). It isn't called a clash of civilizations for nothing. Jesus was a Jewish hippy, Mohammod was a warlord.
Time. Parents grieve and seethe. Their (American) kids could care less. Depending, natch, on the size and composition of their peer group—it's strictly a numbers game (kinda like demographics).
Exact opposite is happening in the UK and many other European countries. The immigrant communities are de-assimilating. For example, in the UK the parents' or grandparents' generations from Pakistan, Bangladesh, and other places are more grateful to be in Britain and proud to be British. It's the younger generations, born in the country, who have turned radical and in some cases terrorist.
Yeah, that's what happens when you allow the colonized equal rights and co-location with their colonizers, goaded by a muscular and effective leftism desperate for replacements for the lost working class. Consult the annals of the Colonial Office for ideas on how best to handle the herding of your particular cats.
The re-imposition of an iron-clad meritocracy is well underway in the USA, but the centripetal forces at play stateside are due more to competition for racial/ethnic spoils than settling of ancient grievances. Once meritocratic standards and practices end that game, things here should return to the status quo ante. I doubt UK/Europe can similarly deliver itself from racial/ethnic/religious strife.
Though I generally agree with your stance on immigration you clearly do not live in the UK. The Leicester 2022 riots between Hindus and Muslims is but one example. There are literally 100s of others. In 2016 a man from Bradford drove to Glasgow to stab a shopkeeper because he was the ‘wrong kind’ of Muslim. Hong Kong democracy protesters were attacked in Chinatown in London in 2022. The reality is we hear about these kind of incidents a lot LESS than they really occur because they don’t affect London centric media-class.
I heard that the remarkable thing about Leicester was that 1st generation tried to integrate but 2nd generation took to identity politics and refuses to assimilate. So they pick ethnic to signal their difference. We also see 2nd generation north-africans petty criminals targeting specifically chinese migrants in France. Ethnic diversity lowers the social capital in a group. So it can become violent for the lower 20% strata. (see Ammon's turnip https://polsci.substack.com/p/pyramid-or-turnip-on-social-stratification)
Of course, you can invite any number of foreign scholar to the faculty of the IAS in Princeton to improve the mix.
I am convinced that immigration is a net good concerning the Princeton IAS faculty, but it looks to me like a luxury belief concerning the plebs.
Why do you then "generally agree" with his stance on immigration?
I would like to expand careful, merit-based, legal immigration, with a points-system like Canada's. But Bryan has a very different and far less restrictive vision. I love most of his stuff, but his view on this is not real world.
Canada no longer does "careful, merit-based" anything - especially immigration.
Counter example: "Are ‘Islamists in Charge of Britain’? This week, British democracy ceased to operate by its own rules. The reason? To prevent its elected representatives from being violently hounded, if not killed, by Islamist mobs." https://www.thefp.com/p/are-islamists-in-charge-of-britain-kisin
If you really want to live in an oppressive Islamic state, open borders is the way to go. The UK will be there within a generation or two - after spending a thousand years separating church from state. Other counter-examples? How about Sweden, France, Germany. . .
We now have two conflicting accounts of immigration from respectable authors: Dr. Caplan’s and Konstantin Kisin, the latter who asks the question about Muslim immigration to the UK. Apparently, there have been Members of Parliament who have been murdered and otherwise crime victims for pursuing a “support Israel” strategy. The UK, particularly London, has seen a wave of Muslim immigrants who have apparently brought conflict into their adoptive city. Both are on Substack. A debate between the two would be informative.
That past decade has not been kind to this essay, I am afraid.
Just learned a new fact… a few Irish were so upset at their new American homeland that they fought *against* the US in the Mexican American war, during a surge in immigration caused by the potato famine. Catholic-Protestant conflict was increased during this time.
The American mafia had roots in the old country.
Current events in the UK sure seem to include a lot of imported conflict over the Middle East, to the point of influencing the Speaker of the House of Commons to break with tradition.
Decades ago in Brussels, I struck up a conversation with this Greek guy who worked in a restaurant. At some point, I asked him how the Greeks got along with the Turks. From memory, he replied to the effect that: None of that shit matters here—we share thousands of years of culture, and that brings us together.
I’ve no idea how true this might be, or to what extent it’s generalizable, but I find it hopeful.
And it brings to mind my travels in Asia ages ago when tourism was not as common. Europeans would give each other a slight Oriental head bow of recognition when crossing the street. It was both slightly strange and sort of sweet.
You omitted #8, scale. Maybe we have not had imported conflict with relatively low numbers of people coming in from conflict zones, but what would happen if we opened the floodgates as you seem to recommend and did not concern ourselves with how many come in? Well, you get this: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/swedish-pm-says-integration-immigrants-has-failed-fueled-gang-crime-2022-04-28/
Arabs in Dearborn, MI. might not be as hostile(yet) to certain groups as in the old country, but we'll see. Irish immigrants in New England send money to terrorist groups in Ulster as a way to reflect hostility to the UK in the U.S.A. Cubans in Miami are definitely hostile to cetain political groups. Our information on hostility is relying on government press releases to the Media - tenuous at best.
my hometown is about 1% somalian with very low violence
however, whenever there is a stabbing victim on the news, it is reliably almost always a somalian stabbing another somalian
lesson in there
The Irish (and I'm talking about relatives of mine here) brought the conflict with England to the USA. They actively provided funding and arms to the PIRA.
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/12/23/Who-feeds-the-Irish-Republican-Army/2246377931600/
(There's more articles on convictions, but mostly paywalled.)
This is a terrible article. The entire foreign policy of the United States, and every war in the last 30 years has been to satiate the nasty ethnic priorities of Israeli Jews to the detriment of actual Americans.
Islam is the most obvious exception to this thesis. Anti-Semitism is now highly visible if not rampant in North America and Europe. Islam is a supremacy and theocracy project as much as a religion and 1400 years of kinetic animosity between Islam and Christendom, now secular western civilization is evidence enough. Sure some sects of Muslims that ignore their scriptures don't produce Jihadis but the vast majority of Sunnis and Shiites follow their unreformed scriptures and if devout, must join the "struggle" (Jihad). It isn't called a clash of civilizations for nothing. Jesus was a Jewish hippy, Mohammod was a warlord.
Time. Parents grieve and seethe. Their (American) kids could care less. Depending, natch, on the size and composition of their peer group—it's strictly a numbers game (kinda like demographics).
Exact opposite is happening in the UK and many other European countries. The immigrant communities are de-assimilating. For example, in the UK the parents' or grandparents' generations from Pakistan, Bangladesh, and other places are more grateful to be in Britain and proud to be British. It's the younger generations, born in the country, who have turned radical and in some cases terrorist.
Yeah, that's what happens when you allow the colonized equal rights and co-location with their colonizers, goaded by a muscular and effective leftism desperate for replacements for the lost working class. Consult the annals of the Colonial Office for ideas on how best to handle the herding of your particular cats.
The re-imposition of an iron-clad meritocracy is well underway in the USA, but the centripetal forces at play stateside are due more to competition for racial/ethnic spoils than settling of ancient grievances. Once meritocratic standards and practices end that game, things here should return to the status quo ante. I doubt UK/Europe can similarly deliver itself from racial/ethnic/religious strife.