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J. Goard's avatar

I'm an ethical consequentialist and vegan, and therefore highly sympathetic to the "misanthropic" component of antinatalism. Our treatment of highly sentient non-human animals inverts all of the consequentialist thought experiments: instead of being clearly morally better to pull the lever killing one human instead of five, if all six humans will continue to eat the "standard American diet" 's worth of torture, it becomes clearly morally better to pull the lever killing five instead of one.

That said, wild animal suffering in what naively gets called "nature" (as if everything that happens in reality weren't equally natural) is also horrific, and contrary to vegan deontologists, equally our responsibility to the extent that we can have a reliable effect on it. If there's any hope of a future that seriously addresses the promotion of well-being everywhere, it will come about through the progress of human ethics, not the elimination of humans. And *that* hope is largely dependent upon the better humans having more kids.

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D0TheMath's avatar

> Note: If you flatly reject the concept of hypothetical consent, you have to condemn Good Samaritans for saving the lives of unconscious strangers.

I like this argument in favor of hypothetical consent. I will use it, along with the "would they consent?" question next time I'm talking with an anti-natalist about this topic.

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